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  • 29.06.2014 - Follow-up on 2014 progress report

    First of all, thanks to everyone who responded and to the guy who posted about this on Reddit.
    Sorry for sounding like an attention whore - when i wrote that progress report i honestly thought i was talking to a proverbial empty room, so i wasn't paying much attention to how it would sound.

    Honestly, lack of Spaceway's popularity does hurt, but mostly i am making it for my own fun.
    As much kind words as i heard in the last days is enough, just so i can stop wondering about there being flat out none of them.

    Which brings us to the real issues at hand, that more constructive posters noted.
    I'm having fun with it, in the same way someone with a home-built factory can have fun with it, while an outsider will be ground by gears and dumped into a vat of acid within first minutes of trying.
    Spaceway lacks purpose, goals, meaningful gameplay. It is as of now a wide open sandbox with an excessively complicated and undocumented toolset.
    And i am by now clueless as to what to make of it.

    Just making an infinite universe that you can fly around could have been a nice game on it's own, but Space Engine got there first, and i can't beat his graphics.
    Making a "build your ship and fly it" type of a game is too hard to do without ripping off Kerbal Space Program.
    Anything else i tried does not stick and does not fit, does not get any traction.
    The wider the world is, the harder it is to stick a player into it.

    That's the gist of it - i would like to make a game out of it, but i don't know how.

    So, let's put this influx of views to some use:
    What sort of game do you think Spaceway can be made into?

    To recap the main features:
    -Infinite universe, no borders to it.
    -No discontinuities. All the distance between one planet, star, galaxy, etc and the other is actual space - no cuts, jumps or loading screens.
    -Every planet, star or galaxy in it is a place you can get to - no backdrops or skydomes.
    -Every planet or moon is real-world sized, with the requisite details.
    -Real Newtonian physics underlying it (this part could be made optional, since real space flight just confuses people).
    -Everything is algorithmically generated. No images, model files, etc. If it can't be described procedurally, then it's out (add-ons/mods are an exception).

    I'm looking for ideas that can capitalize on the features, so something that uses a dozen solar systems here, and ignores the rest of the universe is likely a kind of idea that won't stick and get traction.

    Some miscellaneous notes and responses to Reddit posts:
    -CAPTCHA for comments ask for arithmetic addition of 1. So, if it says 4321 then you type 4322. I heard some people didn't catch that.
    -I will try to get the Linux version working again.
    -I have repeatedly failed miserably in making networking programs in the past, so there is basically no chance of any sort of multiplayer or MMO in Spaceway. "Online" is not my area of expertise.
    -Open source is not an option. I found i can't have my peace of mind with that code being open, so i reverted back to closed source in 2011.
    -I am not looking at monetizing this in foreseeable future.

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    16.03.2017 03:26 - teKem

    I really love this Spaceway, I keep coming back to play it every now and then. Good to read you're still working on this awesome project. I like all the technical mumbo jumbo on the MFDs and I just love the procedural terrain. I also liked the Orbiter mod you made. Can't wait to try it in Oculus mode if I ever get one. Keep up the good work!
    19.04.2016 00:09 - Haggis

    Never is harsh of a word, I'm certain that you'll think of something Spaceway doesn't have to just do one thing ;), as they say just throw it on the wall and see if it'll stick :3 we'll tell ya if its good or not. If I could make a suggestion perhaps you could develop a way for us to contribute to the game to test/show ideas without cracking open anything private, it is also very nice seeing you pop up around :) this has potential
    03.08.2015 07:39 - TheDude

    Yep, it's still being worked on. "What kind of gameplay to add" is the same old "what's the purpose of life" question of Spaceway that i never could make an answer to, unfortunately.
    29.07.2015 12:01 - Artlav

    The game is Still being worked on? Dang When I first tryed it out I was amazed how complex it was but I still getting used it, but it is actual a worth while game I really just waiting for some kind of gameplay to be added. Maybe a realistic elite with a twist None the less I'm still coming back! :)
    28.06.2015 07:09 - TheDude

    So about the new layout. The colors definitely match. I guess you could try getting some color themes from the game, making everything look a bit more like it was inside of the Rapier cockpit or something.
    13.12.2014 03:25 - llehsadam

    Most parts of the story where easy to follow, but some things need more explanation, like docking to the orbiting spaceship.
    17.11.2014 23:07 - D-Vader

    I'm so glad your still working on your game.

    We need more good sandbox space sims out there.
    04.10.2014 07:01 - Motherbrain

    I have a suggestion for the Rapier. Why not make the front circular portion out of glass instead of metal? When landing, it is difficult to see what is exactly in front because of the frontal metal portion. From an aesthetic standpoint, perhaps the Rapier would even look better with a glass cone there.

    And I noticed you can go through rocks. It was a little annoying. I parked the Rapier next to a rock and wanted to jump on it to get a better view and I just sank through!

    Awesome game, it has a lot of potential. :)
    22.09.2014 01:39 - llehsadam

    I hope today's update helps with controls somewhat.
    No, there are no mailing lists to subscribe to. You are the first to ask for one. :)

    I'll see what i can do. I don't have a linux machine powerful enough these days, and a blind build is unlikely to work, since i haven't checked the related code for years.
    21.09.2014 04:09 - Artlav

    I just downloaded the game and I found it a little hard to get used to the controls, but it was really fun, a lot like Google Earth's flight simulator but with space. I would love to see the direction this game is heading, and I can't wait for this weekend's update. That being said, is there a mailing list I can subscribe to so I can find out about upcoming updates?
    20.09.2014 17:32 - mostmodest

    As a lover of them space-games (oolite, pioneer) i would enjoy to have a recent Linux(Ubuntu)-build. Is that somehow possible?? -- Finding a suitable gameline/backgroundstory for a vast galaxy shouldn't be too hard a job, considering the amount of SF-stories since the 60'... -- your project has to continue growing!!!!! thos.
    19.08.2014 03:45 - indaba42

    fantastic project
    i'm watching every day for news
    try to add a random life
    14.07.2014 16:15 - ariano

    I've run into this for my own projects. I agree with everyone above! Keep working on it. You'll feel better to release a final product.
    29.06.2014 16:51 - Derek

    Hey man, don't lose faith and hope. Please finish your game. It's not an accident that people are downloading and playing it. I just found it today and I LOVE it! If you had lost hope and taken it down before I NEVER would have found it and that would have been sad. So hang in there and finish it- after NINE YEARS, you need too! And I REALLY want to see the finished game!!
    29.06.2014 12:39 - William Roeben

    This game actually looks really nice. What you should do is focus on mechanics and bring someone else in to add textures/bells & whistles, then down the road do a kickstarter to get it finished.

    I *loved* Frontier/Elite and have been wanting to play a game like this again for a long time. You don't even realize how nice what all you've done actually is.

    You need to stop working in isolation, that's all.
    29.06.2014 08:49 - Josh

    Your game is awesome!

    Its being discussed on reddit:

    and I imagine it will end up on hackernews soon.

    P.S., you should emphasize your catcha being about adding a number to it... I was typing in the captch over and over again not realizing what you are suppose to do.
    29.06.2014 06:24 - ultimape

    This is a fantastic, smooth engine. Exploring is great, but some gameplay goals would go a long way for this game. Keep it up.
    29.06.2014 03:47 - Anon

    Wow... I'm high and this game is incredible. I'm putting this on my desktop to play all the time! I love it!
    29.06.2014 03:43 - Anonymous

    Keep up the good work!
    29.06.2014 00:35 - Allie

    Just wanted to let you know that this game is a fantastic example of what hard work and genuine creativity can do for gaming. Please don't give up hope. As many above have said, you've created a brilliant game that can only improve from here on out, and with a little promotion across reddit and other sites I can see this really gaining a following. Developers like you are what keeps this industry fresh - don't lose hope.
    28.06.2014 10:26 - EmbersToAshes

    No don't give up now! You have put to much work into this and it looks amazing! Try posting on Reddit! This looks outstanding! Great work don't give up friend!
    28.06.2014 06:50 - TheSnowyeskimo

    Don't give up, damn it! You need to get your game out there where people can see it. I agree with posting to reddit, that would be your best bet by far.

    If it's well received then you may consider setting up a kickstarter or an indiegogo campaign. Be careful with crowd funding though.
    28.06.2014 06:26 - Trentosaurus

    Don't give up! Post your game to and maybe it'll get its momentum back. You need more users.

    Procedural space games are just getting popular, a lot of players want a free version like the one you offer.

    You've put nine years into this game, finish it!
    28.06.2014 03:24 - lleh

    Nooo! Don't give up. This is very impressive for a single developer.
    28.06.2014 02:19 - Anonymous

    This is great! I've been following the releases, but I've only just now had time to check it out. So much in such a small file, it's amazing. I hope development continues!
    27.11.2013 08:22 - Mordriel

    Спасибо, очень интересный проект.
    03.10.2013 20:00 - Boris

    Lots of things can be done.

    - civilizations/ruins
    - natural phenomena
    - analysis of these phenomena/of planets/whatever
    - research technologies: you have an infinite universe, but can you reach and understand it all?
    - have a home planet which develops on its own and can be helped by the player

    Possibilities are infinite :)
    03.08.2013 23:16 - WhiteRaven

    Indeed i think that would be enough to gain some momentum. ;) Also presenting the new version for testing on orbiter forums would get it some attention as well and help to iron out more bugs with more eyes to spot them. It had worked well last time.
    02.08.2013 08:10 - Anonymous

    Online/MMO is not going to happen for years, if ever - that would require me to learn a whole new branch of programming.

    Currently i'm working on optimizing the terrain engine, to get the system requirements down. So far it's only 10 times faster that the 120420, and still crashes occasionally. So, planet variety is a little bit lower than the top of the list. :)

    Anyway, you think that if i can get it to run smoothly, have a clear interface and no crashes, then it would already be fun enough for a new release?
    01.08.2013 21:41 - Artlav

    Woops forgot to put this but planet variety should probably be top of the list as that is probably why people haven't played this as much. (This is an alpha can escape without gameplay for now.) They like eye candy. ;)
    01.08.2013 19:32 - Anonymous

    True then maybe have some planets already colonized or be homeworlds by either human or alien just to give something to interact with when landing on certain planets.(they can give you missions if your bored) Then you cold have resource rich planets or asteroids that you could set up camp for a few game days and gather materials to sell. Also I do still love just aimlessly wandering the galaxy so these things can wait.

    P.S. With the warp drive in this game this could probably be online without major consequences.
    01.08.2013 19:28 - Anonymous

    Colonizing and building structures is nice, but it feels either insufficient or diverting - might as well limit the game to a bunch of Spore-sized planets, and remove all the physics and flight simulation parts respectively.
    01.08.2013 11:21 - Artlav

    I like the idea of colonizing and building structures on the planets even if they are lost in the vastness of the universe. Afterall Earth is a mere speck orbiting another speck orbiting an insignificant galaxy.

    Also if/when alien life is added the ability to categorize and discover new species would be neat.

    There are endless possibility's with what you can create with this and it doesn't need to be limited to one thing.
    31.07.2013 19:42 - Anonymous

    Artlav, keep working on this project, its not popular now, but there are fans. You said this project was doing very badly on the KSP forums, but you shouldn't be discouraged. There is an experimental that must be stabilized.
    21.04.2013 07:17 - Bob

    This is great! But, will there ever be the ability to create colonies linked by star gates etc?

    I love how there are all these planets, I'd love it more if you could do stuff with them!
    20.02.2012 20:15 - Mazera

    Glad to see progress still being made! Looks terrific!
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